Thought Dump Part 5 - Is their any logic in murder? / Some people need religion to be a good person.

Religious people say God doesn’t force people to comply to his will:

They say the true Creator of the universe, more than just another war god assigned to Israel, says that all must repent or die. Also sidenote: The Jews called the gods from other nations war gods while their god was the only true one, even though their god shared THE SAME characteristics and actions with the "bad gods" from other nations (Jealousy, love, joy, peace kindness, wrath, holiness, conditional protection based on obedience, sacrifice, rituals, favoritism, hostility, engaging in wars, genocide, protection, killing babies and women for god, etc). All gods followed by each nation were invisible, but apparently one of the invisible gods from only one nation was correct and the other one was wrong and the way you knew was because the correct god favored the "correct" nation. XD

So if all must repent or die, is that not forcing people to comply to someone’s will against their will?

They say actions have repercussions and it’s not God’s will that they die but the pagan nation’s will. When did the pagan nations ever say the whole nation wanted to be murdered by the jews as recorded in the Torah? To have their children killed, their wives sexed, and their cattle and land ransacked by :holy men” because God chose the Jews and didn’t choose the pagans? I'm not saying Jews alone used these excuses for what they considered was a valid reason to harm others, but for time sake, we are focusing on the stories told within the Torah and their claim that "God told them to kill them."

See if they believe that God did order the Jews to commit genocide as recorded in the Torah, then they logically do not believe in free will because:

1. If the Jews didn’t kill these people, they would be punished by God potentially by death. Where is the free will? They aren’t given the option, they are expected to do it, or else that is what the Jews said.
2. If the Jews do kill the pagan nations, they are forcing their will onto the pagans and if they blame it on God and the actual Creator commanded genocide, then that would mean God is violating the pagan nations free will to live by forcing His will that they would die.
3. If their excuse is God can give and take away free will, then that actually isn’t free will at all. That means we are all victims to a higher will that we must obey just like a tool must do it’s masters bidding, or else the master will discard the tool.
4. If their excuse for genocide is the pagan nations were unrighteous, then that would mean the Jews should’ve gotten the same exact treatment by God for their unrighteousness or else it wouldn't have been fair or equal. So therefore if God is truly fair, equal and harmonious, God would apply the same measure to everyone equally and fairly, or else God is disharmonious, picks favorites, and condemns some and upholds others for the same actions. How could this truly be Creator of the universe when this god upholds unequal, unfair, disharmonious, chaotic rules of punishments based on his preferences, which in this case was a particular nation?
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If their excuse is God picks favorites, then you believe that God is subject to temporary duality and is not truly infinite or that duality is truly eternal; which would mean this whole entire universe was always chaotic and messed up from the start. Aka, you believe God is a luney.
6. If they’re saying they needed to die for their sins but it’s also a sin according to the Ten Commandments to kill, but then you’re saying God forced them to sin against His own commandments He enacted which means God supports errors and changes His ways.
7. If they’re saying God really wanted them dead, then why couldn’t He just kill them Himself? Why did He need the Jews to do His bidding, especially if murder is a sin?

If they see things outside of their conditioning, they’ll realize it literally doesn’t make any sense, but that’s why religion needs people to be in a state of cognitive dissonance, so that they’ll use excuses when ideas of irrationality are presented to them within that religion.

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Does saying you create your own reality invalidate God? I would say no, not at all. If anything, it validates even more the free will that God has given to every single person to make their own choices and to create their own reality. It validates that we each are completely responsible for whatever is in our lives because we have complete autonomy and free will to do as we please. To say that we only have partial free will would be a useless concept.

It's like if you had a robber come into your house and hold a gun to your head and gave you two choices to choose from. Either you give him the passcode to your home vault of money or you die. It's partial free will because out of the infinite amount of choices, this man who has power over you temporarily is requiring you to choose between two choices: One that will keep you alive and another one that will get you killed. Is "partial free will" truly complete free will? You tell me.

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When certain Christians don’t like someone else’s beliefs about God, because it doesn’t align with their beliefs, many immediately say some BS like, “oh they’re not real Christians.” First off, invalidating their relationship with God shows they don't understand the nature of beliefs or their current conditionings from their respective denomination.

Secondly, them denying their personal subjective experience of God while expecting others to validate and accept your personal subjective experience of God is 100% hypocritical. Putting others down and judging them off of concepts they’ve given different meanings to first off doesn't logically make sense if the semantics are different, and secondly that embarrassing.

That’s like if someone were eating ice cream while they’re eating ice cream and someone runs over to them and say, "It’s not real ice cream because you're not eating the ice cream how I am" or "It's not REAL ice cream because it's in a puddle of liquid and mine is shaped this way and looks real." It doesn’t logically make sense to invalidate someone else’s subjective experience of their ice cream because they don't eat it how you eat it, or they don't view ice cream the way you view it.

How on earth could someone ever properly judge someone as a real Christian when they have no complete idea and total perspective about someone else's relationship with God because they aren’t in between it? Them invalidating someone else’s beliefs because that the Christian says their beliefs don't align with theirs is a prime example of someone who doesn’t understand the nature of beliefs.

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Either only I create my own reality, such as it’s my world and y’all are just living in it, or we all create our own realities. Let me expound on this. See I know from my personal experience that I have control over my current reality. Other people may not be aware of that, but I am. I've experienced how my choices have harmed or have helped myself in multiple circumstances, other people and more. When I stopped blaming satan or God and started taking responsibility for my actions, I realized I am the one in charge of my experience.

I am not a victim to the world, and the world therefore is not a victim to me. We are all either co-creating or you are all living in my creation. Since I believe in equality, balance, and free will, I believe we all choose to co-create together rather than just one person or for all while others may presume God and Satan are doing it and we're all victims and saved beyond our capabilities.

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You know praying is more for us and not for God because God has no issue forgiving. It’s people that have the problem with forgiving, not God.

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Even if I think I correctly analyzed a person, it wouldn’t be complete because I’m missing the ability to analyze themselves from their point of view and everyone who has ever been in contact with them.

So at this point, the analyzing of them is still skewed because I only have my complete point of view.

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There are Christians who will make fun of Mormons for their beliefs saying they have not proof and only faith, yet here they are with their own beliefs with no proof, only faith and still they cannot see the hypocrisy.

Mormons and a majority of people who are not Christians will hear their beliefs with no validated proof about they the're all going to hell because they didn't say the prayer exactly how they wanted them to, live life how they said God needed them to, and now they're going to end up in hell for eternity even though that logically doesn't make any sense.

In order to be in hell for eternity, one would always be there because the nature of eternity is the following: was, is and will be. So your belief can not only not be validated, it logically does not make any sense. If someone were to be in hell for eternity, they would've never not been in hell because eternity is never ending.

So here they are judging Mormons while they are over here with this nonsensical view that God is going to throw Mormons and others in hell for eternity for "believing wrong" and all they have for this belief of who makes it into heaven or hell is this belief which is in faith with no legitimate proof. Their judgement is embarrassing.

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All beliefs in the invisible man-made religions have some degree of irrationality. Once you realize that, you stop putting your faith in an idea or a belief and instead, redirect that energy to what you do know, that you create your own reality. Then instead of begging for God to change your circumstances, you take the actions necessary to change your own circumstances. Instead of begging God to fix an issue you're having with someone, you take the actions necessary to help fix that issue with someone.

You make the decisions and actions necessary to move forward rather than irrationally blaming it on the devil and begging God to exert his power over others, bending their wills and yours, and to change things. Escaping duality is the best thing you can do for yourself. Stop focusing on things that don't make sense (beliefs that are founded on ideas that are irrational and nonsensical). Focus on what you can do and that will help you stay grounded and take responsibility. Then, taking more responsibility will help you remember you have the power to change things.

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April 4th 2021

Almost every religion tries to convince you it’s not a religion, it’s something more and how it’s not like the other religions. The fundamentals of most religions say some shit like the people who “found” the knowledge in one religion are deeper than all the others. They say shit like founder of the religion is God himself or the gods. They try to create distinction from themselves and other religions which ironically, is them declaring their own separation, their own ideal duality from that which they consider is less real and correct than their own.

However, those who truly embrace and accept the limits of their religion and see it as such are less likely to be tied down by its fallible limits disguised as limitless, they are much more likely able to see the distinctions and separations from those within each religion that they have placed on their members so that they can move beyond those limits within those religions and rather, find the commonality between all. To love God. To love one another. To live a life with glorious and rich fruits of love, joy, peace, and kindness. To not judge and to treat others how we would like to be treated.

To them, they see the limits and transcend each one they without judgement, only love. They neither see themselves inside nor outside religion, simply one with all. There is nothing that can limit them because they choose to remain limitless.

-- Just be a good person to be a good person --

Some people need religion as a valid motivation to be a good person and then others just try to be a good person to be a good person. They don’t need some reward like Heaven dangled before them like a carrot to be good. They are good simply to be good.

Honestly doing something to get something rather than just doing it to do it, to me seems a lot less genuine because your motivation to be good is rooted in you getting something out of it, which to me seems a lot less genuine than a person who is excited to be good to benefit someone else's life with no expectation of getting anything in return.

The first teaches morality based on rewards and duality; not on simply doing the best you can with what you have. The second teaches a lifestyle based on doing what's best regardless on if you get something out of it or not. So yeah, I'm very suspicious of those people now because I don't even know if they truly want to do it, or if they're just doing nice things because of the reward they'll get and not for the person.

It reminds me of people who have the motive to be nice to someone to solely get something out of them, not because they actually like them. They don't actually want to be their friend, they just need them for whatever reason. Whether that's for the person to help them with their grades, or to get to a person they like; the person to them is just a means to an end. Similarly, people who do good for the rewards such as heaven rather than for just being a good person, I am very suspicious of.

-- This life is one big game of Mafia - -

April 4th

Have you ever played the house game called mafia? Where we’d all pick a card and based on that card either be a peasant, doctor, sheriff or mafia and if you were mafia then you would have to go around the house and kill people and then everyone would try to vote the mafia into jail?

I just made a connection! This whole damn incarnation on planet earth is one long ass game of mafia. The best part is when we all get done with the game (die) we’re all going to be like “OH YOU WERE THAT?!?” Or “oh you came for this reason???” It's going to be so awesome. :D

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A metaphor that came to my mind today is I’d rather dance with God in the dark then sit on a cloud playing a losing game of chess with the devil in the light. However, I realized these preference of one over the other are my clues to which part of duality I’m still clinging to.

Then, once I do some investigations on those preferences, I’ll find the triggers and blockages stopping me from wanting all and everything as my experience of reality. Of no longer resisting or forcing certain experiences but allowing myself to follow the flow of my heart and where it's leading me. Regardless of what others say, I follow my heart and that will lead me to the love I've always been.

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I don’t regret exploring the places where people are afraid to explore because how do you know if you don’t know?

How can you understand what your denomination is like in relation to something else if you’ve never explored other denominations? Or other religions? Or yourself?

See that's why I actually believe it's a blessing to be transgender because I am learning through the contrast of being assigned female at birth and now transitioning to become a man through hormones.

I'll bring stuff up to women and say "Did you know that women have this, but men have this?" And they'll respond and say "Wow, I never noticed that. I just assumed everyone had it like that but I guess it makes sense" and I'll say, "Yes, I didn't notice that either until I experienced both!"

We wear duality over our inherit unity. We clothe ourselves in disguises of separation to experience aspects of ourselves in new and exciting ways.
See through contrast, we learn a lot about ourselves, but the ironic mystery of it all, is we learn that which deep down we've always known because before the contrast even existed, we were, am, and will be.

If you didn't always exist, then you never truly existed in the first place and you are part of the illusion. However, if you are not trapped in the duality, you are beyond the contrast, beyond the limitations, you never stopped existing because by the laws of nature, you cannot stop existing. Energy can be neither created nor destroyed. You either always were, is, will be or you never truly existed in the first place.

-- Spiritual gaslighting --

This happens mainly to people in religion when they "repent of their sins to God" thinking everything is okay, but they still haven’t made peace on earth and never reconcile properly on earth with the person.

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We’re all just motherf'ers pissing each other off. :D

-- Safe or Not Beneficial? --

So while I was working, I was dwelling on my experience in the Local Churches (Started by Watchman Nee and Witness Lee). I remember feeling very safe and comfortable and I was wondering as to why. First of all, I didn’t have to search for what to believe or not to believe, they simply told me what to believe and I trusted them on what I should believe or not believe.

Secondly, we were taught to trust the leaders of that Christian denomination to the point of seeing them with God's authority similar to the apostles. We were told that they were the “ministers of the ages” and that what they said was truly from God more than anyone else. After having that drilled in our heads, we started regurgitating that story that their words were closer and more aligned with God’s words rather than other denominations or even our words and meanings.

Lastly, we were encouraged to do all that which was safe and comfortable rather than adventurous and explorative. We were discouraged to explore our bodies, explore other people’s bodies, explore other religions, ideas, doctrines, and to rather stick to what the “minister of the ages” thought were correct. If we did explore, there would be fear, guilt and shame awaiting us and so it wasn’t worth it.

They showed us the box to entrap ourselves in, then each and everyone of us voluntarily went in and trapped ourselves in this box that we now considered “safe and comfortable” from the world.

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In the local church denomination (Started by Watchman Nee and Witness Lee), they often stressed how they were separate from the world. The ironic part is declaring one’s separation only causes one to get lost deeper into the illusion of separation rather than become aware of it’s impermanent existence.

By creating a separation between you and the world, even though you and the world are one, you have more hoops to hop through when it comes to healing from division inside and outside of oneself.

-- Dialogue meant to Expound --

Person 1: Jesus stated in the garden before his death, what?

Person 2: That we would all know that we are one.

Correct.

Do you think Jesus was aware that people would misinterpret his work and create a new religion out of him?

Yes.

So that’s why he emphasized oneness. So instead of affirming division, he actually desired to close the gap and to show us our inherent oneness.

If what Jesus said was truly true, that we are all one, then that would mean the idea of Christianity that Jesus died to save us from sins would be something that would apply to everyone because we are all inherently one.

So at least believe what Jesus said was true.

That all will be saved because we are are all one. If we weren't all one, then obviously not everyone would be saved, but that's not what he said. He said we are all one, so if one is saved, we all are saved. Creating separation out of oneness literally does not make any sense at all, lol.

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Christian Universalism was a majority belief before Protestantism even existed.

-- Questions to ask in order to expand beyond the ideas --

What is death?

In death would you cease to exist?

If the definition of dying is ceasing to exist, then by God's very nature, God cannot die .

To believe so would mean nothing is real and all is temporal.

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